Under string tension, it’s hard to raise or lower a Tune-O-Matic bridge. The guitar is a 1979 Gibson “The Paul” flattop solidbody with a Les Paul shape. We do our best to answer emails 7 days a week. These where what Gibson used originally on their Les Pauls in the early days and you can pick them up from companies like Pigtail or Faber. 29,122. “The customer thinks this is killing the tone. Is that a real problem?” asked Frank. The height is determined after the action and bridge has been set up. 1-800-590-0014 USA/Canada. #1. I can’t prove what getting those strings off the bridge did for the tone, but now he says he loves the way the guitar sounds. Made of tool steel, with a durable plastic handle. With a stop tailpiece wrench, I raised the tailpiece until the strings cleared. That’s why you can’t crank the tailpiece down low without the strings hitting the bridge. The top of the bridge body should be straight like the edge of gauge in this photo, but look at it sag. And here's a simple way to raise those strings off the back of the bridge while keeping all original hardware: Yep, but I love this guitar, so it makes no difference to me. Its secondary function is to angle your strings to exert maximum pressure on the bridge in order that the bridge transmits sound into the banjo head. Position the studs 1-1/2" (38.10mm) behind the center of the bass side bridge mounting post. Here is a photo of the tailpiece You must log in or register to reply here. I have it on a couple of guitars and wish I didn't. frets, it won’t keep those frets from springing back up. On a typical two-piece Tune-o-matic bridge like you see on most Gibson-style guitars, the strings are supposed to go through the back of the tailpiece and then come up over the bridge. blows and less bounceback. Frank did a good standard setup on this guitar, but an unhappy customer brought it back. I’ll be putting new strings on.). Much happier. Tune-O-Matic bridge, too. The energy goes to the fret, seating it with fewer This guitar didn’t have intonation problems, so I set the saddles in the new bridge to the same locations as the old bridge saddles. The strings make their own notch. May 4, 2017. To do this, I quickly measured each saddle with a luthier's caliper and adjusted the new ones to match. At 5°, this one’s on the steep side. Lower the tailpiece back down to the body and run the strings through in the opposite direction. It just has to reduce the natural, chimey, harmonic presence that we love to hear. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If it was a $5K Historic RI, these things have neck angles??? This zinc diecast height adjustable stop tailpiece from GOTOH features threaded adjustable studs and knurled bushings. hear the shot in there) strikes the fret with no bounce. If it plays and sounds good, I would top wrap the guitar with the Faber and remove the shims. The top of the bridge body should be straight like the edge of gauge in this photo, but look at it sag. The optimum neck angle for a Les Paul is about 4°, but they vary between individual guitars from about 3° to 5°. This variation in angle is why the bridge and tailpiece need to be height-adjustable. What’s wrong with this guitar?” The tailpiece on the Les Paul Custom Replica is right on the body at the same.050"/.030" action height and strings clear the ABR-1 by a good distance. This makes the studs tighter-than-factory. Does it really matter to have the tailpiece that low or is it fine being elevated a bit? * A steep break angle increases the pressure on the bridge. Hand polished, and finished with a polished nickel plating. The photo below shows the Faber Locking Tailpiece and Shims I used to get the strings off the bridge: The mounting studs are spaced 3-1/4" (82.55mm) center-to-center. You work your way backward sort of speak to that tailpiece Robert. If your fret hammer bangs and bounces against the To do this, I quickly measured each saddle with a luthier's caliper and adjusted the new ones to match. This variation in angle is why the bridge and tailpiece need to be height-adjustable. IMPORTANT CORRECTION IMPORTANT CORRECTION: Raising the stopbar: LOOSEN the truss rod. When I bought the guitar, I noticed the tailpiece was even with the bridge in terms of height. They used it all the time, and it’s handy. Available in small quantities for one time repairs or larger volumes for the full service repair shop or OEM builder. (Only do this with an old set of strings, since it ruins them! Gibson lightweight tailpiece needs suitable replacement studs because its profile is lower than the standard heavy one. What’s wrong with this guitar?”. Our new deadblow hammer’s shot-filled head (you can He does basic guitar setups right there in his shop, while sending repairs to my buddies at nearby United Lutherie. The photo below shows the Faber Locking Tailpiece and Shims I used to get the strings off the bridge: "what kind of tailpiece height is considered acceptable???". (The arrow below marks the trouble spot.) This bridge, a Nashville Tune-O-Matic, had caved in from years of tension. The customer wanted the tailpiece tight against the body, believing it gives him “good sustain” (like “good tone,” that’s a highly subjective term, IMO). A little known fact is that you can set the tailpiece badly by accident. questions apply to your where does it end.......I dont have time for this. With a string action gauge, the top of the bridge measured about 11/16" off the body (to be fussy about it: 43/64”). see my other eBay listing for the aged version) This MojoAxe CWT tailpiece is compatible with all wraparound-bridge Gibson guitars which have offset tailpiece studs, such as 1 953-1962 Gibson Les Paul Juniors. The wider ice cream sticks seem to fit most Gibsons. You make sure the neck relief is how you like it and strings you want on it and tuned up,then adjust the bridge to get the string action height you want then see where the tailpiece lands on it. The optimum neck angle for a Les Paul is about 4°, but they vary between individual guitars from about 3° to 5°. Do you know why you want a dead blow hammer? blows and less bounceback. The guitar’s action over the fingerboard was set a little high, so I was able to lower the bridge slightly — and that gained a little more clearance. I can’t prove what getting those strings off the bridge did for the tone, but now he says he loves the way the guitar sounds. There's nothing wrong with this guitar. individual saddle adjustment, to help with the guitars' intonation. son of a bitch what next......adjustments for intonation!?!?!?! The guitar is a 1979 Gibson “The Paul” flattop solidbody with a Les Paul shape. When I stopped by Blue Eagle, Frank asked me to help him figure out what went wrong. It no longer had the proper saddle radius. * I always set the tailpiece high enough for the strings to clear the bridge. 1920's.nickel.good shape. The customer wanted the tailpiece tight against the body, believing it gives him “good sustain” (like “good tone,” that’s a highly subjective term, IMO). The design offers a lot of room for adjustment e.g. questions apply to your Featuring a stop tail and bridge combination. If it plays and sounds good, I would top wrap the guitar with the Faber and remove the shims. Learn About Guitar Bridge and Tailpiece Installation and Repair, Find the proper fret position with the official Stewart-MacDonald Fret Calculator, Stewart-MacDonald is PCI compliant and validated for secure e-commerce. Its bridge has to be high because of the angle of the neck to the body. Tune-O-Matic bridge, too. They were made by one of the guys in our engineering workshop not long after I got the guitar, so about 12-years ago. The familiar zinc die-cast bar tailpiece for solidbody guitars, with height-adjustable metric (M8 x 1.25) or U.S. (5/16-24) threaded mounting studs and knurled bushings. Don't make a new nut just to fix a low slot—fill it! To put string notches in the saddles, I used a shortcut I learned by visiting the Gibson shop: Both of my other Les Pauls(Epiphones) have the tailpiece nearly touching the body. Its bridge has to be high because of the angle of the neck to the body. The improved version of the classic Fender Strat Bridge, The most consistent, top quality Strat® replacement body on the market today. Frank did a good standard setup on this guitar, but an unhappy customer brought it back. It no longer had the proper saddle radius. (I always loosen the strings a bit before raising or lowering the tailpiece studs.) As for the spacers, they are aluminium 1/2" diameter, 5/16" hole through and 3/16" high. Most Gibson electric guitars (and many others) use adjustable Tune-o-matic bridges with stud-mounted "stop" tailpieces. With a string action gauge, the top of the bridge measured about 11/16" off the body (to be fussy about it: 43/64”). This makes the studs tighter-than-factory. for use on the shoe bracket and 2 piece flange banjos with the smaller 1/4" stock coordinator rod. “I've seen plenty of Les Pauls with the tailpiece down low, and the strings don’t hit the bridge. I measured with the depth gauge of my caliper to set the right depth, then cranked the studs down onto these set screws. JavaScript is disabled. The steeper the angle, the higher the bridge. 7. On bridges, I remove the set screws. I’ll be putting new strings on.) Is that a real problem?” asked Frank. Tune-O-Matic setup: is the trouble with the bridge or the neck angle? “Top-wrap” the strings up and over the the back of the tailpiece, and they’ll approach the bridge from a higher angle. A: Opinions vary on whether the tone or sustain of a guitar with a separate bridge/tailpiece combination – as is used on Gibson Les Paul and other models – are improved if the tailpiece is at one height or another. Specials, Goldtops, and Melody Makers. Q: I’ve heard the tailpiece on my Les Paul should be screwed down tight to the body. “I've seen plenty of Les Pauls with the tailpiece down low, and the strings don’t hit the bridge. * The break angle depends on the neck set angle, the bridge height and the height of the tailpiece. Also, I personally don't like locking hardware. I first saw this tool in the original Gibson shop in Kalamazoo, Michigan. I simply tapped each string with the brass face of my fret hammer. The problem: the strings were bending over the back of the bridge, instead of passing unobstructed to the tailpiece. The strings make their own notch. Original Gibson tailpiece bracket. If your fret hammer bangs and bounces against the The problem: the strings were bending over the back of the bridge, instead of passing unobstructed to the tailpiece. The guitar is a 1979 Gibson “The Paul” flattop solidbody with a Les Paul shape. That’s why you can’t crank the tailpiece down low without the strings hitting the bridge. Both the notched and understring radius gauges agreed that the saddle radius matched the 12" fretboard radius perfectly. Is there a neck angle problem? But when the strings touch the back of the bridge, I believe you’re losing tone because you're dampening the strings. Here you can find a selection of bridge and tailpiece mounting screws, studs, inserts, saddle intonation screws, springs and more. It just has to reduce the natural, chimey, harmonic presence that we love to hear. The tailpiece was tightened down snug to the top, to solidly couple the hardware to the body for good tone. Is this bridge set too high? Order by Monday, December 14th to get it by Christmas, Exclusive: 10% OFF Waverly Anniversary String Winder. StewMac stocks replacement parts and saddles for a bridge like this, but I decided to start fresh with our Nashville T-O-M bridge (an exact replica). But there’s a way to get this kind of lock-down even when the tailpiece is raised up: I installed “jam nuts” — short 5/16" set screws — in the bushings for the tailpiece studs to contact. Hello, I just got a new Les Paul Standard and one of my friends tells me I need to adjust the tailpiece height.. and level it since its higher from one side. “The customer thinks this is killing the tone. The energy goes to the fret, seating it with fewer Hardware included. Lock down tight The Tune-O-matic® bridge is seen on Gibson® guitars predominantly, including the Gibson Les Paul®, Explorer®, and ES335®. StewMac stocks replacement parts and saddles for a bridge like this, but I decided to start fresh with our Nashville T-O-M bridge (an exact replica). Quick Setup Tip “Some people like to adjust the stopbar all the way down the body, which will give the greatest possible break angle across the bridge. The tailpiece was tightened down snug to the top, to solidly couple the hardware to the body for good tone. Why would Gibson set it up like this? I saved the old bridge in the guitar case (not that it’s of much value). Installing, adjusting, and replacing these parts is regular daily work in busy guitar shops, and our three Tune-o-Medic tools make the work faster and more precise. The bridge studs are quite different, which is what I guess is what you are referring to. Fender's most popular pick shape in different materials. One thing though...even though I hate it, the SG is as loud as any acoustic unplugged.... Would I prefer a half a degree less neck angle, in a perfect world? 04-14-07, 02:33 PM #3 This bridge, a Nashville Tune-O-Matic, had caved in from years of tension. Let’s see if these common Will this change sustain or anything of that nature? Frank McDermott owns the Blue Eagle Music store here in Athens, Ohio. Build the pedal that redefined overdrive. But there’s a way to get this kind of lock-down even when the tailpiece is raised up: shipping $5 in the lower 48 states. Under string tension, it’s hard to raise or lower a Tune-O-Matic bridge. hear the shot in there) strikes the fret with no bounce. Payments expected within 48 hours Returns accepted if item is not as described (The arrow below marks the trouble spot.) This guitar didn’t have intonation problems, so I set the saddles in the new bridge to the same locations as the old bridge saddles. We are open Monday - Thursday from 10am - 4pm EST. The steeper the angle, the higher the bridge. I’ll set it up the way I think it should be, and let’s see if Frank’s customer gets happy. Neck tension and the stopbar tailpiece. As many of you know, my Gibson SG required a fairly high tailpiece height after action was lowered to about .050" on the bass side and .030" on the treble side. Using the string spacing rule as my guide, I laid the strings out on the saddles for proportional spacing — the way I like it. As many of you know, my Gibson SG required a fairly high tailpiece height after action was lowered to about .050" on the bass side and .030" on the treble side. Aluminium Tailpiece. He does basic guitar setups right there in his shop, while sending repairs to my buddies at nearby United Lutherie. You find this Tune-O-Matic bridge design on Les Pauls, SGs, some Telecasters, Fender Toronados and many other types of guitar too. I just said what I said and it was wrong, or it was taken wrong, and now it's all this. Tail pieces are more of a PITA. Location. I’ll set it up the way I think it should be, and let’s see if Frank’s customer gets happy. This variation in angle is why the bridge and tailpiece need to be height-adjustable. The guitar’s action over the fingerboard was set a little high, so I was able to lower the bridge slightly — and that gained a little more clearance. Actually changing the stop height changes the downward pressure on the saddles. I installed “jam nuts” — short 5/16" set screws — in the bushings for the tailpiece studs to contact. Experiment a bit -- Some people claim to find a "sweet-spot" of tailpiece height. Frank’s happy now, too. I just want to know if this is correct and how is the tailpiece suppost to be. With a stop tailpiece wrench, I raised the tailpiece until the strings cleared. More of the strings energy is transferred to the body/top of the guitar making it acousticly louder … Its prime function is to anchor your strings. Frank McDermott owns the Blue Eagle Music store here in Athens, Ohio. Callaham Steel Height Adjustable Locking Tailpiece Studs. Thanks!!! I've seen two methods of setting the tailpiece height: one so the top of the tailpiece is just below the bridge (apparently how mine is set) and two: having it right to the body. Stop Tailpiece Wrench The Stop Tailpiece Wrench has a thick screwdriver tip recessed into a smooth-walled socket that fits the 1/2" (12.70mm) diameter tailpiece stud snugly. These studs and inserts are made from steel bar and they are the only stud available that allows for the tailpiece to be raised and still remain fully locked to the body. (I always loosen the strings a bit before raising or lowering the tailpiece studs.) This new setup gave the customer what he was after — the strings don't touch the bridge any more. Coffee stirrers fit well for most Epiphones. At 5°, this one’s on the steep side. Anchor bushings: M8x1.25, 25mm height. frets, it won’t keep those frets from springing back up. The strings are anchored in place to the tailpiece. Is the tailpiece too low? The steeper the angle, the higher the bridge. Stopbar height “Another thing you can do is adjust the height of the stopbar tailpiece,” Jim says. Here's a shot of the 2016 Gibson les Paul 50's Tribute from the side as found on Gibson.com and from the looks of it, the tailpiece is fairly high.... You make sure the neck relief is how you like it and strings you want on it and tuned up,then adjust the bridge to get the string action height you want then see where the tailpiece lands on it before you burn it at the Stake. Its prime function is to anchor your strings. “Top-wrap” the strings up and over the the back of the tailpiece, and they’ll approach the bridge from a higher angle. When I stopped by Blue Eagle, Frank asked me to help him figure out what went wrong. (Only do this with an old set of strings, since it ruins them! They used it all the time, and it’s handy. This new setup gave the customer what he was after — the strings don't touch the bridge any more. Lake Arrowhead, California. Both the notched and understring radius gauges agreed that the saddle radius matched the 12" fretboard radius perfectly. The socket keeps the wrench centered, to protect the stud's plating and avoid accidents that could mar the guitar top. Well the tailpiece studs are almost exactly the same size on Epi's and Gibsons. What direction do the saddles go? The new Les Paul Standard returns to the classic design that made it relevant, played and loved -- shaping sound across generations and genres of music. It pays tribute to Gibson's Golden Era of innovation and brings authenticity back to life. Whilst looking at upgrading your Les Paul’s bridge and tailpiece I would suggest that you look into aluminium ’50s style tailpieces as a good tonal upgrade. DON'T MISS A BEAT, sign up for StewMac news, Please See Our Important Holiday Shipping Information, DON’T WAIT! There's 2 classic designs the ABR-1 and Nashville type but they both have the chrome tailpiece/stop bar to anchor ths strings. Using the string spacing rule as my guide, I laid the strings out on the saddles for proportional spacing — the way I like it. will not fit a 1 piece flange OPF. Is this true, or is there benefit to raising it up a bit? My standard faded had a nice tone when new but it had 'hotspots' (long sustain) and 'deadspots' (short sustain) on the fretboard. One thing though...even though I hate it, the SG is as loud as any acoustic unplugged.... Would I prefer a half a degree less neck angle, in a perfect world? But when the strings touch the back of the bridge, I believe you’re losing tone because you're dampening the strings. I like to make adjustments on the fly. I first saw this tool in the original Gibson shop in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Let’s see if these common Here I’m using a bridge jack to hoist the bridge up momentarily so I can turn the thumbwheels. This downward pressure is what Gibson is after with the headstock angle - as the theory goes, more downward pressure on the nut makes for better vibration transfer and … Frank’s happy now, too. What does the stopbar tailpiece do? I saved the old bridge in the guitar case (not that it’s of much value). They are only available in 5/16"-24 thread which is standard on Gibson instruments. And here's a simple way to raise those strings off the back of the bridge while keeping all original hardware: Lower the tailpiece back down to the body and run the strings through in the opposite direction. I measured with the depth gauge of my caliper to set the right depth, then cranked the studs down onto these set screws. 1-802-365-7257 International. A video that will answer the age old Tune-O-Matic questions: Which way should the intonation screws face? The Epis have metric threads (8mm I think) and the Gibson imperial (5/16 UNF I think). 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