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CLASS ACTION TRUTH

TRUTH—WARRIOR'S CLASS ACTION IN 2008

RE:  ONLY SOME PULL MODELS --  FROM 2002--2006

 

(OVERVIEW AND THEN MORE DETAIL)

 

(OVERVIEW)    (NO 5TH WHEELS WERE TARGETED EVER)

THE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH ANY WEEKEND WARRIOR TRAILER AND WAS LAWYER TRICKS VS DEEP POCKETS---AND NOT EVEN WARRIOR'S DEEP POCKETS—WARRIOR & ZIEMAN'S PRODUCT LIABILITY INSURANCE COMPANIES SPLIT ALL COSTS.

(ISSUE OVERVIEW)

THE ISSUE WAS BENDING TONGUES ONLY (TIP UP 1-3 INCHES)----AND ZERO OF THESE BENT BECAUSE OF WEIGHT ---IF YOU LEAVE YOUR EZ LIFT BARS TIGHT WHEN YOU GO THROUGH VERY LARGE/EXTREME DIPS—THE TONGUES WILL BEND ON ANY TRAILER (NONE OF THESE EXTREME DIPS ARE ON US HIGHWAYS AND ONLY OFF ROAD) WARRIOR WAS THE FIRST OFF ROAD TRAILER COMPANY TO FIND THIS PHENOMENA AND HAD SOLVED IT THROUGH COMMUNICATION TO OUR CUSTOMERS IN 2002—(LOOSEN YOUR BARS WHEN GOING THROUGH EXTREME CONDITION)

(FINANCIAL OVERVIEW)

THE ASKING DAMAGES WERE 5 MILLION ON A NON REAL ISSUE---WITH A VERY AGGRESSIVE LAW FIRM AND ONLY THREE CLIENTS-----THEY SAW A GROUP OF DEEP POCKET COMPANIES IN WARRIOR, ZEIMAN AND OUR TWO INSURANCE COMPANIES.

WE VOLUNTEERED TO CLASS IT AND SETTLE (NOTIFY ALL CUSTOMERS TO LOOK FOR A PROBLEM) THE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO PAY $3.5 MILLION TO WARRIOR AND WARRIOR TO HANDEL THE LIABILITY-BY (FIXING ANY CUSTOMERS THAT HAD A PROBLEM---WHICH WE ALREADY HAD DONE)--(WE KNEW THERE WAS NO REAL PROBLEMS WITH TRAILERS)----THE CLASS ACTION ATTORNEYS GOT $2 MILLION DOLLARS AND WARRIOR HAD $1.5 MILLION LEFT TO SEND OUT LETTERS, HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, TO MAKE ANY CUSTOMERS HAPPY THAT THOUGHT THEY HAD DAMAGES . 20,000 LETTERS WERE SENT OUT, THE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, AND A TOTAL OF 104 PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY MIGHT HAVE A CLAIM----WE AGREED CART BLANCH TO MAKE THOSE CUSTOMERS HAPPY AND WARRIOR CLOSED WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF SETTLING THOSE CLAIMS, MOST NEVER GOT CLARIFICATION OR COMPENSATED FOR ANYTHING, (I'M SORRY BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE 104 CUSTOMER ISSUES WERE) EVEN THOUGH I WAS THE ONE THAT AGREED TO TAKE CARE OF YOU---I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO KNOW--- WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOUR DAMAGES WERE---ONLY 104 CUSTOMERS OUT OF 20,000---PUT AN IRON IN THE (FREE MONEY) FIRE---THIS TELLS A DIFFERENT STORY--- DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU THINK OF-- WHEN YOU HEAR WARRIOR HAD A CLASS ACTION AGAINST THEM

 

(DETAIL)

WAS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE PULL TRAILER TONGUES OR A-FRAMES?

ALL WARRIOR TONGUES WERE BUILT LIKE 95% OF ALL TRAVEL TRAILERS EVER BUILT FOR THE HISTORY OF TRAVEL TRAILERS---(A-FRAME)---WARRIOR'S AND THE GREAT VOLUME OF OUR ADVENTITIOUS OR OFF ROAD CUSTOMERS-- WERE SOME OF THE FIRST TO FIND OUT HOW TO BEND A TONGUE ON A TRAVEL TRAILERS. ANY CUSTOMER THAT HAD 1000LB EZ-LIFT BARS ON THERE TRAILER AND DID NOT LOOSEN THEN WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH A DEEP TIGHT DIP (TRUCK NOSE UP WHILE TRAILER IS NOSE DOWN 6 FEET DEEP OR MORE) WOULD TORT THE TORSION BARS SO MUCH THAT SOMETHING HAD TO GIVE AND THE TRAILER TONGUE WAS WEAKER THAT THE HITCH BOLTS (BARELY)

FACTS: THE LIFT BARS ARE PULLING THE TRUCK CHASSIS BACK IN LINE WITH THE TRAILER CHASSIS AND FLEX WHEN YOU GO INTO DIPS—BUT EXTREME DIPS THE BARS PULL HARDER AND HARDER ---THE DEEPER THE DIP THE HARDER THE BARS PULL----SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE—EITHER THE TRUCK HITCH OR THE TONGUE ON THE TRAILER MUST FAIL---—(LOOSEN YOUR BARS IF YOU GO INTO AN EXTREME OFF ROAD DIP)

1. TORSION BARS NEVER BREAK OR BEND----THEY ONLY TORK HARDER TILL SOMETHING GIVES

2. EZ-LIFT COMPANY USED TO MAKE 1200 LB BARS AND QUIT MAKING THEM—BECAUSE

STRONGER BARS BENT TONGUES IN SOME DEEP STREET DIPS

3. BECAUSE OF THE FRONT PROFILE OF WARRIOR TRAILERS—AND THE 1,000 LBS PLUS TONGUE

WEIGHT----A STRAIGHT TONGUE WILL LOOK BENT WHEN ITS NOT

4. ITS BETTER THAT YOUR TRAILER TONGUE WOULD BEND---THAN IF YOUR HITCH FAILED OR RIPPED OUT OF YOUR TRUCK

5. TOO MUCH TONGUE WEIGHT IS MUCH SAFER---- THAN NOT ENOUGH TONGUE WEIGHT

(BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR)

 

(WHO GOT HURT)

CONSIDERING THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT BENT THERE TONGUES -- WERE PEOPLE TAKING THERE TRAILER THROUGH SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND IF THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED WAS A BENT TONGUE---COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS---

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!--- ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE 104 (MARK)

 

  • Travis

    Posted at 2014-05-14 11:01:00

    Hello,
    I have an extreme 2008 23ft toy hauler. I noticed after taking it out for our first trip this year that the wood in the rear right corner has some swelling. I peeled up the linoleum in the back and noticed some more wood rot. I suspect a leaky seal somewhere in the rear door or perhaps a rear window. Anyway, big of a project is it to replace the wood in the toy section of the trailer?
    Thank you,
    Travis

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-05-19 12:04:55

      Hello,
      I have an extreme 2008 23ft toy hauler. I noticed after taking it out for our first trip this year that the wood in the rear right corner has some swelling. I peeled up the linoleum in the back and noticed some more wood rot. I suspect a leaky seal somewhere in the rear door or perhaps a rear window. Anyway, big of a project is it to replace the wood in the toy section of the trailer?
      Thank you,
      Travis

      I SENT YOU A DIRECT E-MAIL MARK W

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  • Jim Henry

    Posted at 2014-04-16 11:56:28

    Mark

    I have a 2008 SL2805. We love the trailer but have had some issues. The supports for the bottom queen bed no longer function becasue the wall is now 3" wider than when we purchased the trailer. What is the casue for this to happen?

    One other thing is that threr are a great many people like me who bought WW becasue it was supposedly the best. I am now retired, dont use my trailer much and would dearly love to sell it but becasue of this class action suit etc no one and I mean no one will even come look at it.

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-05-02 00:21:36

      Mark

      I have a 2008 SL2805. We love the trailer but have had some issues. The supports for the bottom queen bed no longer function becasue the wall is now 3" wider than when we purchased the trailer. What is the casue for this to happen?

      One other thing is that threr are a great many people like me who bought WW becasue it was supposedly the best. I am now retired, dont use my trailer much and would dearly love to sell it but becasue of this class action suit etc no one and I mean no one will even come look at it.


      SORRY FOR YOUR TROUBLE---SOUNDS LIKE YOUR WHEELS ARE PUSHING UP INSIDE YOUR WALLS AND NOW YOUR WALLS ARE BOWING OUTWARDS THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED--IT SHOULD COST AROUND 2500 AND BE BETTER THEN IT WAS WHEN NEW--THE OUTRIGGERS HAVE FAILED BEHIND THE WHEELS--BE CAREFUL OF HIGH QUOTES--CONTACT ME AT TALK2MARK@EXTREMEWARRIOR.COM AND WE CAN TALK IN PERSON--LEAVE YOUR NUMBER--MARK

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  • Scott Healy

    Posted at 2014-04-09 14:52:56

    I have a 23' toy Hauler that had a bad seal around the front left access door which has been allowing water to get into the floor for quite a while, because of this I now have to replace the entire front half of the floor in the trailer. Since Extreme places the floor directly on the trailer frame I will need to add some extra braces to support the floor. Can you suggest how to do this and what might be the best material to use? I am not looking forward to this project so any suggestions you make would be appreciated. I tried to e mail you directly at TALK2MARK@EXTREMEWARRIOR.COM but it rejected my email. Please contact me by email or call 801-358-3233.
    Thank you,

    Scott Healy

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-04-15 13:50:04

      I have a 23' toy Hauler that had a bad seal around the front left access door which has been allowing water to get into the floor for quite a while, because of this I now have to replace the entire front half of the floor in the trailer. Since Extreme places the floor directly on the trailer frame I will need to add some extra braces to support the floor. Can you suggest how to do this and what might be the best material to use? I am not looking forward to this project so any suggestions you make would be appreciated. I tried to e mail you directly at TALK2MARK@EXTREMEWARRIOR.COM but it rejected my email. Please contact me by email or call 801-358-3233.
      Thank you,

      Scott Healy

      SCOTT CALL 800-500-9914 OR CALL ME AT THE NUMBER I LEFT ON YOUR MACHINE---MARK I CAN HELP

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  • william rogers

    Posted at 2014-04-01 00:00:06

    Just purchased 2001 26 ft wide body front bathroom model. I read the forums and want to know where and the cost for reinforcing the trailer before it might fail. I plan on keeping it and to me there is nosuch thing as overkill. Common sence goes a long way. Id rather have a stud duck than a lame one. Also any owners manual available ? I had an Alfa see ya and read Mr. Kreens fall from Fleetwood, so i really respect some who makes a comeback.

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-04-01 00:08:54

      Just purchased 2001 26 ft wide body front bathroom model. I read the forums and want to know where and the cost for reinforcing the trailer before it might fail. I plan on keeping it and to me there is nosuch thing as overkill. Common sence goes a long way. Id rather have a stud duck than a lame one. Also any owners manual available ? I had an Alfa see ya and read Mr. Kreens fall from Fleetwood, so i really respect some who makes a comeback.

      WARRIOR LIFESTYLES HAS TWO LEVELS OF REPAIRS--1,000 AND 2500---ONE IS OVER KILL AND THE OTHER EVEN MORE OVERKILL--800-500-9914

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  • Lorie

    Posted at 2014-03-21 11:56:13

    I have a 3905cr 5th wheel in our shop for repair of some electrical issues; the customer bought it used and the previous owner has rerouted wiring. We need a wiring diagram for this model that relates to how the wiring was done @factory. Is there anything out there that could help the tech save some time, specifically for the inverter/charging system. It appears the previous owner did not have a 50A service set up and changed the wiring, now the opportunity exists for 220V to run thru the system. Can't seem to find any electrical wiring diagrams for this 5th wheel. Appreciate any help.

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-03-31 18:06:16

      I have a 3905cr 5th wheel in our shop for repair of some electrical issues; the customer bought it used and the previous owner has rerouted wiring. We need a wiring diagram for this model that relates to how the wiring was done @factory. Is there anything out there that could help the tech save some time, specifically for the inverter/charging system. It appears the previous owner did not have a 50A service set up and changed the wiring, now the opportunity exists for 220V to run thru the system. Can't seem to find any electrical wiring diagrams for this 5th wheel. Appreciate any help.
      THERE ARE NO DIAGRAMS BUT LOTS OF KNOWLEDGE--CALL WARRIOR LIFESTYLES FOR SUPPORT AND PARTS..800-500-9914

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  • Mike Drechsel

    Posted at 2014-03-13 08:23:35

    I purchased a 2008 Weekend Warrior FS2300 brand new from the dealer back in 2008. I have the trailer out maybe 5 times to the dunes and one trip to the Eureka. The tralee was very well kept and basically brand new. For a year of going through a divorce I was unable to do anything or remove the trailer from storage. When I finally got access and possesion of it I took it inspected it and found the front cap has cracked and some of the sealent seperated and needless to say leaks! I now have 7800$ worth of damage that I jave been fighting with insurance to fix for over 6 months. Now they are offering to fix the actual water damage but not if there is mold (mind you in 6 months I would imagine there probably is). They will not fix the front which was obviously a design flaw ( by your own admission and the many complaints plus my buddy I talked into buying a WW had same problem and had to sue dealership to have them replace). Basically my trailer that I so badly loved and bragged about is now a 25,000$ pile of rubbage if I can't afford to fix it! I WAS a huge Warrior fan.

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-03-31 18:09:37

      I purchased a 2008 Weekend Warrior FS2300 brand new from the dealer back in 2008. I have the trailer out maybe 5 times to the dunes and one trip to the Eureka. The tralee was very well kept and basically brand new. For a year of going through a divorce I was unable to do anything or remove the trailer from storage. When I finally got access and possesion of it I took it inspected it and found the front cap has cracked and some of the sealent seperated and needless to say leaks! I now have 7800$ worth of damage that I jave been fighting with insurance to fix for over 6 months. Now they are offering to fix the actual water damage but not if there is mold (mind you in 6 months I would imagine there probably is). They will not fix the front which was obviously a design flaw ( by your own admission and the many complaints plus my buddy I talked into buying a WW had same problem and had to sue dealership to have them replace). Basically my trailer that I so badly loved and bragged about is now a 25,000$ pile of rubbage if I can't afford to fix it! I WAS a huge Warrior fan.

      MIKE I THINK WE HAVE TALKED---HOPE ALL IS WELL---CALL ME IF YOU NEED 800-500-9914---DON'T LEAVE A MESSAGE ON THE RECORDER--PLEASE TALK TO SOMEONE AND I WILL CALL U BACK---MARK

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  • max burger

    Posted at 2014-01-09 20:11:42

    I own a 2007 FS2300. I bought it brand new from the dealer. For the most part, the trailer has been great. Seems heavy for the rating even when empty. Originally towed with an f150 and it struggled to tow it. We upgraded to f250 powerstroke. We have never loaded it heavy. The side walls of the tires cracked before the tread wore out (UV damage, my fault). our family loves the trailer overall. Recently I think I hit a bird or something and the front plastic cap the covers the front top of the trailer cracked, is there a replacement available somewhere?

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-02-18 13:31:35

      I own a 2007 FS2300. I bought it brand new from the dealer. For the most part, the trailer has been great. Seems heavy for the rating even when empty. Originally towed with an f150 and it struggled to tow it. We upgraded to f250 powerstroke. We have never loaded it heavy. The side walls of the tires cracked before the tread wore out (UV damage, my fault). our family loves the trailer overall. Recently I think I hit a bird or something and the front plastic cap the covers the front top of the trailer cracked, is there a replacement available somewhere?

      CALL WARRIOR LIFESTYLES FOR PARTS--800-500-9914--ALSO I WILL NEVER USE PLASTIC (ABS) CAPS ON TRAILERS AGAIN--SORRY---THEY CAN BE REINFORCED FROM THE INSIDE WITH FIBERGLASS RESIN AND CLOTH---THIS MAKES THE PLASTIC BULLET PROOF---E-MAIL ME AT TALK2MARK@EXTREMEWARRIOR.COM AND I HAVE PICTURES IF YOU LIKE---MARK

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  • Willie Hernandez

    Posted at 2014-01-08 20:25:54

    I am planning on installing a Queen size lift bed replacing the pull down bed in my 2006 2100FK. I need wall frame plans to locate studs to attach the bed tracks without having to remove any of the interior walls. Are the plans available?

    Willie Hernandez

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-02-18 13:43:21

      I am planning on installing a Queen size lift bed replacing the pull down bed in my 2006 2100FK. I need wall frame plans to locate studs to attach the bed tracks without having to remove any of the interior walls. Are the plans available?

      Willie Hernandez


      NO PLANS ARE AVAILABLE BUT THE WALLS AND ROOF ARE 1 1/8 STUDS 16" O/C FROM THE PANEL SEAMS--USE AN ICE PIC TO CONFIRM LOCATIONS--ALSO THERE ARE CROSS STUDS AT EVERY WINDOW THAT LINES UP WITH THE WINDOW HOLES--E-MAIL ME AT TALK2MARK@EXTRERMEWARRIOR.COM AND I CAN SEND YOU A FEW PHOTO'S OF A LIKE CONSTRUCTION WALL THAT GIVES YOU A GOOD OVERVIEW--I CAN BE REACHED AT 800-500-9914--MARK

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  • kevin Morgon

    Posted at 2014-01-04 19:20:15

    I own a 2006 slc3905 5th wheel trailer. The first problem I had with my trailer was the side walls started to fall due to lack of construction knowledge!! Lucky my good friend of mine owns a welding shop so we were able jack up the wall and fix it for minimal cost. There is also no support under the side walls over the wheel wells, which is over 8' of walls all resting on a small inch and a half pc. steel. So we added so angle brackets to solve that problem. Then I noticed that the 5th wheel hitch was being pushed up into the front of the trailer. I assume that the walls in the front of the trailer were doing the same thing that happened on the sides, but to my astonishment when I pulled the panel off in the front portion underside of the trailer there was a 4" crack in the main steel structure that holds the hitch!!!! I have pics to prove this!!! So I would love to here your comments on these issues cause you claim that it is not due to over weight or shoty workmanship on your part or zieman trailers??????

    Waiting to here from you,
    Kevin M.

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    • MARK WARMOTH

      Posted at 2014-02-18 14:00:59

      I own a 2006 slc3905 5th wheel trailer. The first problem I had with my trailer was the side walls started to fall due to lack of construction knowledge!! Lucky my good friend of mine owns a welding shop so we were able jack up the wall and fix it for minimal cost. There is also no support under the side walls over the wheel wells, which is over 8' of walls all resting on a small inch and a half pc. steel. So we added so angle brackets to solve that problem. Then I noticed that the 5th wheel hitch was being pushed up into the front of the trailer. I assume that the walls in the front of the trailer were doing the same thing that happened on the sides, but to my astonishment when I pulled the panel off in the front portion underside of the trailer there was a 4" crack in the main steel structure that holds the hitch!!!! I have pics to prove this!!! So I would love to here your comments on these issues cause you claim that it is not due to over weight or shoty workmanship on your part or zieman trailers??????

      Waiting to here from you,
      Kevin M.

      KEVIN--VERY GOOD--THE OUT RIGGERS COULD HAVE BEEN STRONGER FOR NO EXTRA COST--MY MISTAKE THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE THEM AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE--AS FOR THE FOOT PRINT AND THE 1 1/2 INCH OF STEEL HOLDING UP THE WALLS--VERY GOOD--THIS AREA IS THE WEAK POINT IN EVERY TRAILER AND OVER MANY YEARS THERE ARE TOO MANY THAT ARE FAILING--I DO UNDERSTAND--NO ONE KNEW TELL THEY ARE FAILING THAT THIS WAS THE WEAK POINT--SORRY--I HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THE REAR OUT RIGGER IS CRITICAL AND THE FOOT PRINT AND THE ABILITY FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL TO COMPRESS IS ONE PART OF A PROBLEM--ALSO THE WALLS WERE MADE IN SUCH A WAY TO BE VERY STRONG OVER THE 30' LENGTH SACRIFICING THE TOP TO BOTTOM STRENGTH--(ALLOWING THE WALLS TO BOW)SORRY FOR THE TROUBLE--IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN I WOULD HAVE MADE THEM STRONGER--WE WERE CONSTANTLY MAKING THE TRAILERS STRONGER AND STRONGER--ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WEAK POINT--BUT I NEVER TILL NOW WORKED ON THE FOOT PRINT OR THE VERTICAL STRENGTH OF THE WALL IN THIS AREA--JACKING IT STRAIGHT AND RE-TRANGULATING THE OUT RIGGERS (MASKING THEM STRONGER) SOLVES THIS PROBLEM--GOOD JOB AND SORRY--AS FAR AS THE HITCH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PHOTO'S SO I CAN UNDERSTAND AND THEN BE GLAD TO GIVE U MY OPINION--E-MAIL ME AT TALK2MARK@EXTREMEWARRIOR.COM

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